Revision of Nanoweight Cube Size

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Post by Rapidrory » Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:33 am

Having talked to various of the Nanoweight builders, nearly everyone is finding the 50mm cube size is just a bit too restrictive to do properly creative designs with. As I see it, the weight limit should be the main limiting factor in a weight class, and the size limit should be there more just to stop the size of robots getting out of hand. However it can help to drive creativity when the limit is right, so some size limit may be good. I'm more opening this thread just to get opinions on the matter, and if there is a general agreement then we can adjust the size accordingly. Being a relatively new weight class it shouldn't be too much of an upset to change it at this point.

I personally think that a small increase to a 60mm cube would be enough to allow a lot more creativity whilst still retaining a significantly smaller cube size than the Fleas. Other suggestions have been to either increase it to the same 3 inch cube as the flea weights, or to remove it all together and just rely on the 25g weight limit to keep the size down. Other suggestions are of course welcome.
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Re: Revision of Nanoweight Cube Size

Post by Shakey » Sun Jul 05, 2015 1:53 pm

I'm in favour of a 3" build cube (75mm because metric). It allows creative bots and interesting designs without someone strapping motors to a skewer and avoiding the pits.

As said I don't feel a 50mm cube adds anything to the challenge of the weightclass only making it more frustrating and limiting.
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Re: Revision of Nanoweight Cube Size

Post by Rapidrory » Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:02 pm

If it was to go to flea weight size, would likely leave it as 3" so we wouldn't need 2 cubes of ever so slightly different sizes for the two weight classes..
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Re: Revision of Nanoweight Cube Size

Post by Shakey » Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:04 pm

I know that would be the logical solution. I just dislike the annoying numbers :P
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Post by peterwaller » Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:37 pm

Personally I think the 50mm is a bit too tight just because of the length needed for two gearmotors end to end plus wheels.
But I think it should be less than the Fleas so I would go for the 60mm Rory suggested.

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Post by joey_picus » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:17 pm

I'm not sure, personally I would vote to retain the current cube size (despite struggling with it myself!); the 'gearmotors end to end plus wheels' problem also limits fleaweights. If a change had to be had, I don't really want them to be the same size as fleaweights because then they lose their distinctiveness...

(on the metric/imperial issue; I actually like the imperial cube sizes rather a lot because - as someone who has no engineering background and only really self-taught skill - they let me design and build robots to 100mm and not have to worry about a hole drilled in the wrong place or a loose bracket or some flex in the material making me illegal. I think it would be wrong to essentially punish people for not being precision engineers, especially with 3" and 4" materials being commonly available!)
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Re: Revision of Nanoweight Cube Size

Post by Shakey » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:36 pm

The idea of the current cube size isn't to make it easier as as been proven it can be done without too much effort. But to allow for more diverse designs. There is very little the 50mm actually allows. I would like to hear Will weigh in on this as he has probably built the most nanos!

I'd be happy with 60mm, not a dramatic increase but enough that some more interesting designs can be had.
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Re: Revision of Nanoweight Cube Size

Post by AntRoboteer » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:39 pm

A 60mm cube would definitely get me more interested! In my early attempts, nothing at all would fit in the tiny little 50mm cube; an increase would at least allow for some slightly larger components to make the nanos easier to build and therefore more available to all.

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Re: Revision of Nanoweight Cube Size

Post by Nixon » Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:08 pm

I'd build one if the size allowance was bigger. Kinda limits creativity trying to cram in in such a small volume.

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Post by Remote-Controlled Dave » Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:21 pm

I'd be more interested if it was a bigger cube. Even Haz is slightly too big technically for the current. I'd keep the weight exactly the same but just use a 3" cube like fleas. Easier on event organisers!
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Post by teamocean » Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:11 am

When I first saw this my initial view was to keep the limit the same but having thought about it I would be in favour of the 60mm cube as it still limits the size but allows for more flexibility. The 3 inch cube seems a little too big for my liking
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Re: Revision of Nanoweight Cube Size

Post by Rapidrory » Mon Jul 06, 2015 10:12 am

Yeah, going to 60mm may not sound like much, but it should give plenty of room for walking mechanisms and the custom nano drive setups (which at the moment need about 1mm wide wheels to fit). We don't necessarily want to remove the challenge of the cube altogether, just make it less of a frustrating limitation and more of a technically creative one. Also, their tininess is what makes them hilarious; we don't want to loose that aspect :L

Since most of the major Nano builders have now voiced their opinions, and the general consensus has been for an increase to 60mm, shall we try upping the limit to 60mm and seeing how it changes things? If need be we can revisit this again if there is major issues, but I feel that it is probably the right solution..
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Re: Revision of Nanoweight Cube Size

Post by Shakey » Mon Jul 06, 2015 12:18 pm

I'm in favour of a 60mm cube. We can see how it goes at AWS48 and keep/revert/change the rule depending on how that goes.
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Re: Revision of Nanoweight Cube Size

Post by Rapidrory » Mon Jul 06, 2015 6:40 pm

Yeah, that sounds like a plan. Now we just need people to build some new Nanos :L
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Re: Revision of Nanoweight Cube Size

Post by teamocean » Mon Jul 06, 2015 6:59 pm

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