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Re: Proposed rule changes 2015

Postby haz » Sat Jul 11, 2015 5:11 pm

Agree.

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Re: Proposed rule changes 2015

Postby BeligerAnt » Sat Jul 11, 2015 5:56 pm

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Re: Proposed rule changes 2015

Postby peterwaller » Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:49 am

Agree

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Re: Proposed rule changes 2015

Postby Andrew_Hibberd » Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:06 pm

I have just caught up with this thread and I feel like I am going backwards.

1) Honestly I find the nanos and fleas are detracting from the main AWS. A beginner at an AWS with 1 robot will get 2 fights only before the melees if there is time.

2) I don't see any harm with the 3 minutes, not many fights last that long. Plus spinners and fan robots are weaker if they require larger batteries and more chance of something breaking (spinner or otherwise)

3) The cluster/ walker/ fan bot argument is painful for me.

I pulled kwijeboom apart to build the new anticide 2 days before the AWS. SO atm I have no walker, if the rules change I will have to rebuild one to replace my more successful EPZ cluster or swap out a main roller for the cluster.

ALBOF is my most successful robot but I took flak for it being unbeatable. I am torn as to replace it under popular opinion or continue to use it. I don't want to see any design being limited in the rules, we should encourage ingenuity.

If the rules change I will have to build a new walker and probably something to replace ALBOF when I haven't done anything but follow the rules to try and do better in competitions. It takes me a very long time to design and build a new robot, contemplating building 2 new robots for a rule change is upsetting.

If we are trying to reduce entries I don't mind the 4th entry being a walker, but I put a lot of time, effort and money into EPZ, kwijeboom and Albof.
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Re: Proposed rule changes 2015

Postby Remote-Controlled Dave » Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:38 pm

All very well said Andy. I don't want you to withdraw ALBOF as I have stated.

To draw the cluster/walker thing to a conclusion, there was pretty much an even split between those wanting to revert back to the old rule and those wanting to keep it as is. Interestingly, generally speaking, the ones who have been doing it longer were happier to revert back than the newer wave, who never fought before the rule change.

Anyway, in my opinion, the split was too close to act on, therefore the only logical conclusion is to leave things as they are. So that's me dropping the debate. If someone else wants to pick it up or object, that's your freedom to. I should probably be less pushily involved in these matters anyway; I am not in charge.

Final thought, for what its worth, I also think the fleaweight and nano comps detract a bit from an AWS day as a whole, but I don't think they are less valid as competitions, and they are a good way for new or (for want of a better word) 'lesser' builders to do better than they do in an AWS. I will always hope we try and include them still, but I am getting less enthusiastic about building for them. Only on a personal level though.
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Re: Proposed rule changes 2015

Postby Hogi » Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:53 am

i concur, the cluster/walker rule should be left as it is, even if it's only for those of us who do build propper clusterbots.
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Re: Proposed rule changes 2015

Postby peterwaller » Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:57 pm

As I have stated before I think we should stop all the complaining about people and robots who tend to always win and accept that they do it in general by good design and good driving and put our energy into trying to beat them. I don't agree with the comments on Fleas and Nanos they are quite a challenge to build and drive successfully. I take the point about reducing the number of ant drives people get but that always used to be tackled by having a second arena and running the non spinner ants at the same time as the smaller classes and you had a choice of which you did.

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Re: Proposed rule changes 2015

Postby Shakey » Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:08 pm

I'm happy to put together a fully enclosed nano arena so it could be run seperately without using the main one.
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Re: Proposed rule changes 2015

Postby Remote-Controlled Dave » Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:17 pm

If we have to start co-running comps (which I'm all for) then we may have to watch out about robots that enter more than one catagory (IE as part of a cluster in the ants but also on its own in fleas/nanos) as that would be EO headache central right there.
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Re: Proposed rule changes 2015

Postby peterwaller » Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:47 pm

I only enter each robot in one event.
My Ant cluster has alsoran which is too big for a nano.
My Fleas are all seperate and even the nano that runs in Lemmings does not go in the Nano event.
But if the Fleas and Nanos run during the nonspinner event and you only get the choice to enter one or the other it shouldn't cause too many problems other than a robot entered in the AWS getting damaged but that is the chance you take.
A smaller arena for Fleas and Nanos would be good. :roll:

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Re: Proposed rule changes 2015

Postby Shakey » Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:54 pm

I'll sort out a nano one, probably along the lines of petes ant arena as it is similar to the current nano one. If Dan had a size for that arena that would be great. A flea one is up to someone else though I'm afraid.
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Re: Proposed rule changes 2015

Postby Hogi » Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:45 am

Hi Alex. my nanoweight arena is about 70cm by 60cm. :)
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Re: Proposed rule changes 2015

Postby Remote-Controlled Dave » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:04 am

When's the last time we had time to run a non-spinner??
We could easily run fleas and nanos parallel to the AWS but people would have to keep enteries separate.
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Re: Proposed rule changes 2015

Postby Hogi » Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:19 am

that would be fine by me. none of my fleaweights compete in the AWS as clusterbots and this too shall fail was always intended to be a cluster botlet and not a nano.

also-a reduction in the number of clusters that compete in the main AWS would speed things up slightly.
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