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AWS rule polls 2019

Post by razerdave » Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:06 pm

Hi all
So, the AWS committee has been in discussion about rule changes for the upcoming AWS’s, but obviously we require input from the community.

Due to our usual rule discussions going round in circles, we have opted for a poll for rule changes with a set time limit (in the case of the first set, the poll ends the day before the AWS).

Rules can be discussed but the votes will stand; anything glaring we have missed will be discussed and amended by the committee accordingly.

Voting form:
https://goo.gl/forms/V6k5wv2HoQ4VNang2

More sets of rule changes will follow post AWS.

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Re: AWS rule polls 2019

Post by MarkR » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:31 pm

Agree on most points.

Safety - about running (non-spinner) robots outside the arena and charging in Lipo bags - I think it's not inherently dangerous in Antweight or smaller scale and should probably be at the discretion of the event organiser and doesn't need to be in the rules (but the EO can of course, make their own). Clearly, running spinners outside of the arena / test box is insane and mustn't be done (but you already covered that).
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Re: AWS rule polls 2019

Post by TeamScrewUp » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:40 pm

Filled it in. Dunno why i needed to say....
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Post by Ocracoke » Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:26 pm

Personally, I already enforce the "spinners need switches" rule and the "LiPo bags for charging in" for BotFest, they just seemed like sensible things to do.

There was one thing that I think might be worth discussing though in regards to the aerials rule change. Osu is a bit weird in that it uses a removable link. Just before Ant Freeze 6, it struck me that the removable link that I ended up using might cause the robot to breach the 4 inch limit because of its length. Is it worth clarifying what does and what doesn't count towards rule 2b?
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Re: AWS rule polls 2019

Post by James Williams » Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:39 pm

Hi, a quick question regarding the "no contact restart" rule.
If a part of a clusterbot drives off the edge before contact is made, should the match still be restarted?

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Post by Shakey » Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:52 pm

To add in:

The LiPo bag rule is one I feel is important for the ruleset with regards for the need to be more formal with the admin side of the events. Especially with regards to stuff like insurance. It's a good tick box to have to make them happy and help guard the sports future.
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Post by voorsk » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:06 pm

Filled it in!

i hope some of the other alterations are gonna involve the use of drones, especially if the no contact restart rule gets written in.
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Post by TeamScrewUp » Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:14 pm

The Lipo rule is a weird one. With bringing them already in bags i feel they should only if

A) you do it anyway or

B) If you feel you have a dodgy lipo on you. But its never too bad to be safe.
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Post by razerdave » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:03 pm

James:
As it stands, the match wouldn’t be restarted if one part simply drove out. If both bits did and no contact was made, then we’d restart. I know there is contention regarding the drones atm but that is for future discussion; one bit at a time :)

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Post by James Williams » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:15 pm

Cheers Dave, it was the drones in particular that was causing the confusion. Glad it's getting addressed (I can only imagine how awkward it is to get a fair rule to cover all bases). :D

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Re: AWS rule polls 2019

Post by Shakey » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:24 pm

Yeah this first round is pretty much the more obvious rules changes, there's a few more that stray into the more 'heated' parts. But we don't want to overload the process and drown it in debate right away!
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Post by Kyro » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:08 am

i think size and weight clarification should be made known... ie over weight and over size allowance... so say theres a 2g weight allowance on top of the 150g to make up for the difference in scales and a say 5mm poking out of the box max rule... i feel the box at antfreeze was a little smaller than 4x4x4.

im thinking, someone with a 3d printer should print official sized boxes which should be used at events and made available for contestants to purchase so every box used is exactly the same which would void my 5mm poking out rule and ensure contestants wouldn't need to trim bots down at events (i had to cut around 6mm off of a 10cm scoop to fit in the cube at ant freeze, i had about 2mm wiggle room after so i could have cut only 4mm off)

if someone makes a file that can be printed by somebody so they wouldnt have to purchase a cube... and would make more 3d printer owners able to make and sell official cubes then that would help a few people out...

otherwise, i agree with the rule changes...

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Re: AWS rule polls 2019

Post by GeorgeR » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:07 pm

I'm really glad the rules are getting an update, it certainly feels rather overdue. Thanks to all the committee for your hard work in making it happen.

All of the changes proposed look good to me, and I hope they are adopted for the future.

With regards to Kyro's suggestion on allowances, I think that formally allowing people to break the 150g/4"cube rule would be opening a massive can of worms, and is best avoided.
For weights, as long as the application of the rule ensures that an exactly 150g bot is allowed (so if the event scales were accurate to 1g the limit would be 151g), I don't see a need for extra allowance.
For size, again I don't see a need for allowances, if the robot doesn't fit into a genuine 4" cube it needs to be smaller. That said, we need to ensure that the cubes used are not too small. It wouldn't be fair or right to exclude a robot that does adhere to the size rule due to an undersized event cube. (I would agree that the ant freeze cube this year was almost certainly smaller than 4")

For any other issue regarding size/weight limits I don't see an issue leaving it up to EO discretion.
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Re: AWS rule polls 2019

Post by MarkR » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:08 pm

My robot only fitted into the Ant Freeze cube with the acetate slightly bent, I think the cube was a tad on the small side.
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Post by peterwaller » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:13 pm

Just filled it in just a couple of things I noticed.
Wording on arena doors must be closed should take into account arenas like mine that have hinged covers.
Disqualification for operating spinner outside arena should be for repeat after the warning.

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