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Re: Another New Antweight..

Postby Rapidrory » Tue Jul 15, 2014 4:25 pm

Ok, so now all my ants are more or less finished (a few switches, name stickers etc. still left to fit), I feel it's time I did some proper introductions. I won't do Lionel, Mr Burns or Smidge as I've already done posts on them recently

Nuts

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This is my fleaweight spinner-flail thing. There've been a few vague pictures floating around but haven't done a formal introduction yet. I built it a while ago out of a pringles tin when I was supposed to be getting ready for a night out :roll: . Almost completely useless but very comical. It's regularly the source of many 'Nuts' based puns/ innuendoes, intentional or otherwise :P

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Chocolate Bot isn't new, but on realising I had a space left in my antweight team I decided to rebuild it so complies with the rules. So it's been slimmed down by an inch, and an internal 1mm polycarbonate skeleton has been fitted to afford it some structural integrity.

Tinny

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Again, I've posted about Tinny before, but this time it's been upgraded so it actually works. As mentioned in my previous post I've put it together as something for my brother to drive. It only weighed 94g, so I've added a large chunk of 2mm steal to the back to try and get some extra grip. Still only 120g though and not much space for more steel...

Flail Whale

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This is my new strimmer style spinner. The flails fold over and slot into the aluminium hub for the start of the fight so it fits in the cube. Once the motor spins up they're deployed. Was only 100g when I'd finished it, so added 2mm stainless steel and a whole load of extra weights to bring it up to 150g in an attempt to get some control. It's not too bad now, although definitely lives up to it's name if you go full throttle on the spinner!

BullyDozer

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This is one I put together over the weekend to fill a slot on my team. It's just a 4WD lifter, but is actually a lot of fun and definitely lives up to it's name when fighting my other robots; It just rolls them all straight over :) It's made from folded 1mm polycarbonate with sheet steel on the front to bring the weight up a bit/ to add some sparks when fighting spinners :P Still needs a little work on tidying up the electronics etc but otherwise is mostly done.
I love using 1mm polycarbonate as it can be cut with scissors and folded like stiff cardboard. It won't stand up too well to a direct spinner hit, but it won't break and is very light. It's great for just throwing robots together quickly and without too much design work.

So that's all my new robots. I'm gonna have Choclate Bot, Flail Whale, BullyDozer and Lionel-Smidge Custer as my Antweight team, and Nuts as my Fleaweight. I'm not clustering Smidge with Flail Whale any more as Smidge would probably just get annihilated straight away :P
I now have a total of 8 functional robots.. Considering I was only introduced to the sport last November, I think that's pretty good going :)
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Re: Another New Antweight..

Postby Remote-Controlled Dave » Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:33 pm

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Re: Another New Antweight..

Postby Hogi » Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:15 pm

cool robots bud! i especially like the ones with the spinning flail weaponry. i don't think we see that sort of thing very often. tinny looks cool too. :P
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Re: Another New Antweight..

Postby Rapidrory » Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:51 pm

Hogi wrote:... i especially like the ones with the spinning flail weaponry. i don't think we see that sort of thing very often.


I'm starting to feel that there may be a good reason for that, but we'll have to see how it goes :L
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Re: Another New Antweight..

Postby Remote-Controlled Dave » Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:08 am

It'll be interesting if it gets drawn up against one of those spindly 3D printed robots with not much armour. Will probably just wrap itself around them.
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Re: Another New Antweight..

Postby BeligerAnt » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:07 pm

Sounds like the judges for the AWS will have to brush up on the entanglement rules...
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Re: Another New Antweight..

Postby peterwaller » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:58 pm

2f) The following weapon types are not permitted:
- Fluid based weapons (treacle guns, etc.)
- Glue or sticky pad weapons
- String or entanglement weapons
- Flame based weapons
- The use of electricity as a weapon
- Explosive weapons
- Rotating weapons that may shatter (as opposed to breaking off)
- Magnetic/inductive systems

On the plus side they are wire and not string but how you decide if the are partly about entanglment or not I don't know.
My spinner Anticyclone went out in the last AWS entangled in a tyre which is obviously not an entanglement weapon so where do you draw the line.
The flame thrower is an easier call.

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Re: Another New Antweight..

Postby Remote-Controlled Dave » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:16 pm

Entanglement weapons are designed to entangle, like nets and sticky tape and silly string and things. Rory's flail is designed to whip and damage the opponent the same way as a disc like Peter's, and it isn't designed TO cause entanglement. I would say this is the difference. If we start banning all weapons that "may become entangled" then all spinning discs would be out, and things like wiring would even have to be questioned :roll:
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Re: Another New Antweight..

Postby Hogi » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:48 pm

this discussion might be worth broadening in the rules debate 2014 section. to be honest, i don't think theres much chance of a noticeable entanglement from a weapon that moves so fast.
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Re: Another New Antweight..

Postby Remote-Controlled Dave » Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:07 pm

Robot Wars had the "no entanglement weapons" rule from day one yet always let in chain flails (Mace, Caliban, Whirling Dervish etc)
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Re: Another New Antweight..

Postby Shakey » Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:17 pm

I don't see the need for a debate, flail whale is designed as a spinning KE weapon using chain/wire to extend the diameter. It isn't entangling, it isn't meant to do that, the chain shouldn't stop spinning on contact or catch the opponent.

It might entangle sure! In which case they'll be seperated as normal in unseperable immobile situations. But plenty of weapons can entangle that aren't meant to, really anything with a flexible wire/chain/band like component could, I just don't see it as an issue worth debate, common sense should distinguish which robots are entangling and which merely might as opposed to their primary purpose.
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Re: Another New Antweight..

Postby Rapidrory » Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:50 pm

The only thing that's likely to happen is Nuts'll tangle itself up... And there's no rule against self entanglement :P

peterwaller wrote:
2f) The flame thrower is an easier call.


Mr Burns is built purely for entertainment purposes. I never had any plans for it to compete .

I feel it's always good to sometimes come up with something crazy that hasn't been done before.. Sure, it might not be allowed to compete, but as long as it's done safely and with common sense, it's a lot of fun and you'll inevitably learn from it :)
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Re: Another New Antweight..

Postby peterwaller » Thu Jul 17, 2014 7:00 am

I suppose if there is an obvious function for a particular part of a robot other than entanglement then it is OK.
I certainly want to see your robots in action and accidental entanglements is just something else we can try design against.
As for the flame thrower a demo would be great even if it has to be in the carpark on health and safety grounds.
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Re: Another New Antweight..

Postby BeligerAnt » Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:14 pm

I did not intend to imply that Nuts featured an entanglement weapon, much less open a debate on the subject :roll:

I was thinking more of the (inevitable?) entanglement especially if Nuts should come up against a spinner. In fact there aren't any rules specifically relating to robots getting tangled up. The closest I could find was:
4c) When any robot is immobile or lacks controlled motion then a judge will call cease and the driver will have ten seconds to demonstrate that control has been restored, otherwise the robot will have lost.

4e) Robots may hold or pin each other for a maximum of 20 seconds. The judge will give a verbal warning at 15 seconds into any holding or pinning, for the contestants to disengage. Should they not do so within final 5 seconds then the battle will be paused and the robots returned to their respective corners. The battle will then recommence immediately.

It's down to the judges to decide when the robots have reached a stalemate and need to be separated, just glad I won't be judging :)
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Re: Another New Antweight..

Postby Rapidrory » Thu Jul 17, 2014 7:29 pm

This is what happens when Nuts meets spinners :P https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUege5_UOzs
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